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posted by The WordSmith from Nantucket at 3/28/2007 12:02:00 PM
Wednesday, March 28, 2007
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we live in a democracy and our government is a reflection of a democratic process.
are you suggesting we should just get rid of congress and do away with checks and balances in government just because it disagrees with the president (and your opinion)? maybe we should just establish dubya as a dictator? it's plain to see that you support democracy when it aligns with your personal beliefs, but seem wiling to sacrifice it on the altar of other more authoritarian forms of leadership when the democracy moves contrary to your opinion.
then with dubya as dictator, we can round up the dissenters (after wiretapping their phones) and kill them all. then we should nuke Iran, Syria, France (because we all know they deserve to be french fried), Russia and any other country who stands in our way. then maybe once that's done we can re-enslave black people and kill of the homos, the intellectuals, and the jews. then our country will be truly great again! and we will be the promised race in a promised land and God will smile down on us and bless us in our victory against difference and dissension!
america is a democracy (at least in theory). if you don't like it, there are plenty of countries out there that you might be better suited for.
You know "theotherguy" I was almost convinced from your comments at Mike's America that you were a reasonable, balanced, mature and intelligent individual until I read the above.
You people have accused President Bush of being all that you describe and WORSE already.
You've poisoned the well of political discourse even though President Bush has turned the other cheek so many times he's dizzy.
And now, you simply toss away all those fine words in the 2006 campaign about ending politics as usual and corruption and out of control government in an orgy of pork spending totally unrelated to the war.
And you have the nerve to drop in here and start up with this "dubya as dictator" crap?
Thus far, none of you loons have been rounded up in camps despite your hyperbolic rhetoric.
And none of you have been incinerated in the destruction of the Library Tower, Sears Tower, Empire State Building, Plaza Bank, etc, etc, etc, thanks to "dubya as dictator."
I regret wasting so much time treating you as a serious individual. You don't deserve that respect.
Unfortunately, soooo true!!
You go Mike!!!!!!
Love the cartoon, Wordsmith; it's so true!
As for Other Guy's comment, That crack about you being better suited to live in other countries fits him, not you! He and his leftist friends who bash this administration constantly and refuse to cease and desist from bashing our administration during a time of war, thus feeding the enemy and damaging our country as well as undermining our troops are the ones who should spend some time in the Middle East!
If people like theotherguy don't like this country, then he should take his own suggestion: If you don't like this country, then emigrate to the country of your choice and live there. Last I saw, there are thousands of people literally dying to get into this country. Perhaps you would like to take their place in the country that they are escaping from...
Maybe I'm a little narrow-minded at the moment, but I'm getting tired of being asked (no, demanded!) to tolerate the views of someone else when they do not have the same respect nor courtesy for mine. Your cartoons capture the hypocrisy that is in Washington politics.
Wow, got to tell ya Word, they're coming out of the woodwork for some reason. It's like someone sprayed some DDT down their hole. Maybe they're bailing out of the Iranian hiding places that are being targeted and readied for destruction. GO Navy!
I love it the way couple of cartoons can do the job of several editorial pages, great posting.
theotherguy is in another world, methinks, that one orbiting just to the left of reality.
are you suggesting we should just get rid of congress and do away with checks and balances in government just because it disagrees with the president (and your opinion)?
TOG, how would any lefty even know what a conservative opinion is? Every time one is expressed, it's either shouted down or ignored by liberals, not given the respect of even being considered. People expressing a conservative opinion are often subject to losing their jobs, being suspended from school, accused of racism or sued for their trouble.
And you imply that we would have Bush be a dictator?
It would be infinitely more accurate to say that you and your fellow travellers would like the Democrat majority in Congress to be another Poliboro.
Correction: Politboro.
More coffee!
this was an experiment, and you have all passed.
the truth is had the spouting originated from a neocon perspective about supporting the troops and telling some leftist to get out of the who disagreed with our government, it would have been supported here. however, turning the rant upon it's head, you guys show your true colors.
i'm no loon, just someone trying to understand your mentality, and i've had a huge insight with this venture.
it's easy to make promises and recite speeches - politicians do it all the time. however the proof is in the pudding.
america is big enough for all of us even if our opinions differ. don't you guys think?
as always, your student,
-TheOtherGuy
and by the way, that whole dictator comment was taken from things Bush said himself on more than one occasion:
"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas.
(Governing Magazine 7/98)
-- From Paul Begala's "Is Our Children Learning?"
"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.
-- CNN.com, December 18, 2000
"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it, " [Bush] said.
-- Business Week, July 30, 2001
THOG, nice try pinhead. Your experiment only shows that you have no idea on what anyone believes other than your own blinder oriented view.
Despite your obvious lack of education, we do not have a democracy here in the US we live in an Elected Representative REPUBLIC. Democracy in its pure form is nothing more than mob rule.
I have been drawing up 5 questions that should be administered to every school age child after completing each year in school to gauge their knowledge. The knowledge of the functions of our government is essential for the children to become good citizens of the republic. They must perform their duties of voting with knowledge about the offices that the people they are voting for are going to occupy. This knowledge has somehow been lost as you have clearly demonstrated with your absurdness and clear lack of demonstrated knowledge.
I cannot watch when Jay Leno or Shawn Hannity go out on the street and ask people simple questions like who is the Vice president or if the President and Vice president were to die who would assume the office of president and on and on. I'm sure if I were to deny you the use of Google you would not be able to name any of the people or their offices and what those offices entail. I can guarantee you would fail the 5 questions that every school age child should know.
shucks jg you got me.
perhaps instead of putting forth how absurdly uneducated i am repeatedly, i suggest you should offer your 'knowledge' test and let me get a sense of my own ignorance.
now this wouldn't be the kind of test that black voters used to get in order to vote which they could never pass? a good american like you would never do that, would you?
also, if you think that most americans would fail this test, think about how many 'true' americans would fail the test and then what? then from your spire of superiority, would you offer your benevolent education all the while insisting that those who felt short were less than patriotic?
if you want to educate, then do so. there's nothing stopping you here.
"The Other Guy"
I am loathe to respond to your question for the reasons stated below:
First, in your previous comments here, you were treated respectfully and your opinions were considered and a full response was given.
Then, I read your comments at "Sparks from the Anvil" where you basically begin frothing at the mouth about "dubya as a dictator... we can round up the dissenters (after wiretapping their phones) and kill them all. then we should nuke Iran, Syria, France (because we all know they deserve to be french fried), Russia and any other country who stands in our way. then maybe once that's done we can re-enslave black people and kill of the homos, the intellectuals, and the jews."
Such monstrously irresponsible, inflammatory statements abdicate ANY right you have to further consdideration of your opinions by me or any thinking American.
I will however give you this opportunity to apologize for those remarks.
And I don't feel the need to respond further minus that apology other than to say that I have not suggested a surgical strike on Iran.
But if you want to know about my "knowledge and experience" I will tell you that my thesis in the doctoral level seminar at Columbia University in New York with former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski dealt directly with the problem of Iran. I've been well versed on that issue for 2o years.
Perhaps if your apology is contrite enough we can continue this discussion. Otherwise, I will not waste my time and conclude that you are nothing more than the typical left wing lunatic more interested in preserving the delusions which your hatred of Bush and general prejudices against conservatives allow than dealing honestly with life and death issues during a time of war.
Just to be clear, the comment above was a response to The Other Guy at Mike's America.
Apparently he only raves like an absolute IDIOT at Sparks from the Anvil.
But the effect is the same, so I copied my response here.
mike i've responded to you there and i will respond to you here.
ranting is not exclusive to me by far, but it just happened that the opinion i was spouting was different than what is normally ranted about here. i wanted to see what would be said and done because of it.
i don't agree that our system of government should be changed or destroyed. i want to see the system work. dissension in our government is allowed, in fact, we are seeing it now, aren't we?
it's up to you what you are going to do. i'm not in control of you. if you want to educate, then educate or don't!
I'm sorry "Other guy" but sowing anger and hatred as a means of provoking discussion is totally inappropriate.
It's wrong. It does nothing to advance any good cause.
Again, I treated your earlier comments as worthy of mature consideration and response.
You have yet to change my opinion that this consideration on my part may well have been an error.
Have you ever been to a Nazi death camp as I have? Do you understand the depths of evil which still lurk there?
How you could equate in your wildest leftist delusional orgy that President Bush represents a similar danger is beyond the understanding of sane individuals.
I sat as a juror today in court of law on a very difficult and painful matter. I have no time for people who childishly trivialize the most momentous moving issues of life and death that most of us will face in our lifetime.
Come clean "Other Guy" and apologize. Maybe we can help walk you back from that abyss of delusional insignificance that you teeter above.
i find your comments ironic given the amount of anger and hatred i've seen at your site.
like i said, if you tacitly condone your form of anger, that's up to you.
am i supposed to be made afraid by your terminology? delusional insignificance? i suppose it is really who you ask.
i tell you what. if you get kuhnkat or one of the other less intelligent, more emotive posters at your site to admit they were wrong and apologize, i will do the same. or even if you make a statement censuring their comments, i will apologize.
i see no regrets on your end or any any of the neocon sites i've seen so far, so i don't see why i should feel any on mine.
THOG, from my spire on high I se that you are uneducated and must be sent to an reeducation facility of my choosing. This test must be taken without cheating so no Google can be used. I'll give a sample though.
There are three branches of the federal government, name them.
I don't even know where to begin in this thread.
I am "bogged down" with weekend activities, so this week (in preparation for the weekend) has been difficult for me to do much blogging and blog-surfing.
All I can do is ask that people tone things down a notch. I think we just got off to a bad start.
theotherguy,
You'll have to forgive my "amen chorus", as we are mostly used to giving a swift ass-kicking to trolls and moonbats who have no other objective than to waste our time and argue nonsense, that doesn't go anywhere. So we end up shouting past one another.
If you're interested in respectful debate, then perhaps we should all start over again. I could use a reminder in civility, myself.
Overall, I think it's silly for people who have never met face-to-face, to get worked up over the internet at one another.
I used to post at a message board where posters played hardball, calling each other every vindictive under the sun; it was just part of the game, as over time on a message board, you came to know and understand one another; and even to become "friends" with people who you disagreed with vociferously.
A good case in point in the blogosphere, would be the relationship between j_g, marie's two cents, and mrs. green.
Anyway, theotherguy, you are posting in hostile territory (if you are a Bush critic); so just have thick-skin, and enjoy yourself here. If someone (including myself) makes an ad hominem, take it as a reflection upon the person who made it, and not upon yourself. That's my advice.
Oh, and why don't you have your own blog? That way I could come harrass you once in a while with my droppings. (~_^)
The classic backpedal technique. When a stated opinion has been shown to not hold up to scrutiny, one turns around an makes an 'experiment' of the opinion.
Nice try.
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ranting is not exclusive to me by far, but it just happened that the opinion i was spouting was different than what is normally ranted about here. i wanted to see what would be said and done because of it.
Really? Please produce proof of this allegation.
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i find your comments ironic given the amount of anger and hatred i've seen at your site
i have also been busy this weekend and have not even had the time to be online.
it was a bad idea, but i did it. i mean, this is the internet and not some government appointed task force. you guys think of it however you need to. if it makes you feel better about yourselves, then go for it.
jg - as for your answer, there's the executive, the legislative and the judiciary - and i didn't even have to look it up on google. so can i move on to the next level in your judgement scheme?
anyhow - WS is right. i can't expect sympathy here, but at least i hope to learn something.
as always,
theotherguy
Even right-wing-extremist have to admit that what Bush has done has hindered and not helped this nation. remember when gas was under four dollars? remember when people's houses weren't being foreclosed? Remember when there wasn't such a thing as a threat scale?
anon,
Yes, Bush is to blame for everything in life....the president of the U.S. holds that much power and influence. [/sarcasm]
I thank God that this man was put into office during these 8 years. He is handling the times we live in...not causing it. Except in the minds of those suffering Bush Derangement Syndrome:
There are Islamic terrorists trying to kill you? Blame Bush.
There are 11 to 20 million illegal immigrants in this country? Blame Bush.
We aren't treating illegals well enough with our welfare system? Blame Bush.
Hurricanes? Blame Bush
The price of popcorn at the movies? Somehow Bush is responsible, along with big oil.
You caught an STD? Blame Bush.
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