Monday, March 26, 2007

Still Spewing Moron Emissions: Sean Penn

If only that he would just shut up and act, he'd be "moron neutral" and intellectually-friendly....

From the San Francisco Chronicle:

(03-24) 18:20 PDT OAKLAND -- Oscar-winning actor Sean Penn was the star attraction at a town hall meeting today in Oakland, where hundreds of people gathered to denounce the war in Iraq and call for an immediate withdrawal of American troops.

Neither Penn nor Rep. Barbara Lee, the Oakland Democrat who has opposed the war since before it began four years ago, offered much in the way of specifics for ending the conflict, and they were largely preaching to the choir. The enthusiastic and occasionally boisterous crowd of 800 or so crammed into the Grand Lake Theatre wildly cheered as Penn excoriated President Bush.

"You and your smarmy pundits -- and the smarmy pundits you have in your pocket -- can take your war and shove it," Penn said. "Let's unite not only in stopping this war, but in holding this administration accountable."

What a statesman! Lol....if only that I were being paid to be a smarmy pundit! Here's some more of what he said:

But now, we are encouraged to self-censor any words that might be perceived as inflammatory - if our belief is that this war should stop today. We cower as you point fingers telling us to “support our troops.” Well, you and the smarmy pundits in your pocket, those who bathe in the moisture of your soiled and bloodstained underwear, can take that noise and shove it. We will be snowed no more. Let’s make this crystal clear. We do support our troops in our stand, while you exploit them and their families. The verdict is in. You lied, connived, and exploited your own countrymen and most of all, our troops.

Certainly Sean Penn can speak however he sees fit; but wouldn't a more mature tone gain him wider acceptance and credibility? Juvenile insults and posturing will only appeal to his amen chorus of movon.org lefties.
The town hall meeting came six days after "peace marches" [my quotations- wordsmith] were held nationwide to mark the fourth anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq and one day after the House of Representatives voted 218-212 to withdraw combat troops by Sept. 1, 2008.

Penn reiterated a point often made by opponents of the war when he said he supports the troops but opposes the war.

"Let's make this crystal clear: We do support our troops, but not the exploitation of them and their families," he said. "The money that's spent on this war would be better spent on building levees in New Orleans and health care in Africa and care for our veterans. Iraq is not our toilet. It's a country of human beings whose lives that were once oppressed by Saddam are now in Dante's Inferno."

Moron offset: Maybe Sean Penn is moron neutral and does support the troops, as well as others who don't approve of this war. But there are also many on their side who really don't support the troops; for them to claim that they support the troops is because it would be "politically incorrect" to admit otherwise; it's a knee-jerk bumpersticker mantra, used as an aegis for their conscience, similar to how they are always hypersensitive about their patriotism being questioned. I think CJ made an astute point to a protester he debated with a couple of weeks ago:

before I left I wanted to impart one more piece of wisdom. I motioned towards his encampment and asked him which of the tents before us were collecting letters, cards or care packages for troops. I asked which tent was asking for donation of shoes, clothing, toys, school supplies or other good that Soldiers can hand out to the Iraqi people to make their lives better. I told him I don't have a problem with the peace movement and anti-war movement. But, I DO have a problem with a peace movement and anti-war movement that purports to do it in the name of supporting the troops and yet nothing there makes me feel supported. I told him the reason why his cause will never gain acceptance from Soldiers is because they go about it all wrong. I may feel more inclined to listen to their speeches and read their literature if I actually something there that REALLY supported the troops. I asked him when the last time they went to Walter Reed and brought cookies, movies, music, flowers, letter, cards, drawings, anything to make those Soldiers they supposedly support feel better. NEVER. And that, my tin foil hat wearing friend, is why I don't support you and made an effort to thank that ONE lady standing alone on the side of the road instead of any of the many people mulling about without deodorant. I also thanked him for the civil conversation (up to the point of "chemtrails") and that it's a rare day that I have a conversation with people like him and don't get called names or have to deal with screaming and yelling. We shook hands and departed.
I'm sure you can find war-supporters as well, who don't really support the troops in any meaningful way; but at least they don't undermine the mission and endanger lives by giving aid and comfort to America's enemies and critics. Most of those I know of who do support the war, actively show their support by sending care packages, offer well-wishes, fund soldier support charities, express gratitude and recognize the service and sacrifice.

Lee was among the California Democrats who voted Friday against the $124 billion war spending measure that President Bush has promised to veto. Lee is a member of the "Out of Iraq Caucus" that includes Democrats Lynn Woolsey of Petaluma and Maxine Waters of Los Angeles.

"We can't afford to spend one more dime or lose one more American or Iraqi life on this illegal and unwinnable war," Lee told the crowd, which offered several rousing standing ovations.

What makes her believe that not one more American or Iraqi life will be saved by an immediate withdrawal? Or that not engaging the enemy and surrendering from Iraq will be economically less costly to us? Calling the war "illegal" is pointless to her argument, other than to still be stuck on stupid. "Coulda, shoulda, woulda" is fighting yesterday's arguments and trying to apply them to today's problems.

Lee introduced Penn to the crowd as movie star and temporary journalist for The Chronicle, referring to his dispatches published in the newspaper when he visited Iran in 2005. Penn also has visited New Orleans as part of the post-Hurricane Katrina rescue effort.

Outside the theater, protesters carried signs saying "Impeach Bush." Among those who attended today's rally were members of Grandmothers Against the War.

After the meeting, everyone from grandmothers and students to veterans and mothers pushing strollers marched along Lake Merritt to Oakland City Hall for an afternoon rally at which Lee again spoke.

As she took the microphone, the crowd chanted "Barbara Lee told you so. Bush's war has got to go."

"The only thing this government needs is for the people to be silent and then they can do whatever they want," said Joan MacIntyre, a 74-year-old great-grandmother from Oakland. "As long as the government keeps doing what it's doing, I'll be out in the streets."

Does anyone else see the irony in her statement?

Moron offset for Joan MacIntyre:

I asked about this odd idea that "curing" poverty was an easy matter. If it really could be cured with ease, then why did Lyndon Johnson have such a tough time with his "War on Poverty" here in the United States? As President Reagan noted: "We declared war on poverty, but poverty won." Charles Murray and other scholars made clear that despite the vast spending on "Great Society" anti-poverty programs (some five TRILLION dollars by most estimates!) economic destitution only got worse, until Reaganomics finally began to make a positive difference in the 1980's. Later, welfare reform in 1996 made an even more positive impact -- helping to destroy (at last) the culture of depenedency.

The idea that cures for poverty come easily has been a distinguishing characteristic of the international left. The only sense in which it ever worked in Communist countries was relative: by making nearly everyone poor and destitute (except for the party bosses) they created an illusion of equality.
As Michael Medved also points out: A just society doesn’t require that everyone earn similar rewards. It does require, however, that hard work should be reliably rewarded.

MacIntyre, like many who attended today's events, was no stranger to anti-war protests. She has marched in numerous rallies since the Iraq war started in March 2003 and on Monday was arrested during a San Francisco protest on Market Street. It was her 41st arrest, she boasted proudly.

"At least I can hold my head up and say that I tried," she said.

And how will you hold your head when there comes a point in history when the actions of President Bush and those who stood for victory in Iraq are proven right? How will those Congressmen who voted for nonbinding resolutions undermining soldiers in the field justify their position to their grandchildren? That they preferred to align with the Neville Chamberlain appeasement wing of American politics rather than side with the pro-active, pro-victory, far-sighted Winston Churchills?

At the rally, which was organized by a coalition of Oakland community groups, folk singers led the crowd in song and a rapper rapped about violence in the streets. There were calls for impeachment of the president and for troops to be brought home and pleas for federal dollars to be spent on schools rather than on the war.

Rodney Brown, a 30-year-old Oakland substitute teacher, said he would have liked to see more people attend the protest. While organizers said between 500 and 700 attended the rally, many remarked that the crowd seemed significantly smaller. Police declined to provide a crowd count.

"Money needs to be going to our schools and the communities here instead of funding for this war," Brown said. "And we need to have more events like this and get people out here and taking some action."

Moron offset for Brown vs. real education:
public K-12 spending is approaching $10,000 per pupil — double what it was three decades ago, adjusting for inflation. And total school spending is approaching $500 billion — more than we spend on national defense ($454 billion) and more than the entire GDP of Russia ($433 billion).

Many people believe that teachers are horribly underpaid. In fact, the average elementary-school teacher makes $30.75 per hour, more than architects ($26.64), mechanical engineers ($29.46), and chemists ($30.68).
And the only moron neutral person quoted in the report:

Hava Ratinsky, a native of Israel who now lives in Oakland, attended the protest with her 6-year-old son, Aviv. She wondered whether, after four years of protesting, people were just too tired of not seeing any change.

"There's a war going on and it's mind-boggling to me that people can continue to live their daily lives and not pay attention," she said.

Disclaimer: The links embedded in the quoted passages from the SF Chronicle were not part of the original article; wordsmith felt the need to insert moron offsets (credit Jon Sanders for the term) in order to balance out the moronic emissions prevalent in the anti-war sentiments of Sean Penn and Barbara Lee.

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20 Comments:

Blogger Mike's America said...

it always amazes me that people who live in a world of make believe play acting think they can speak outside of that box.

It's one thing to have a well written script, a director, hordes of makeup, prop and yes men.

But when they stand up and just shoot their mouth off, people have to wonder why we should continue paying to see their movies (I do not go to the ones these clowns make).

I know Laura Ingraham says "shut up and sing." I say, just shut up. I don't even want to hear your singing.

Monday, March 26, 2007 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger Little Miss Chatterbox said...

As I said over at Flopping Aces I love the whole concept of Moron offsets, especially in regards to Sean Penn.

When you listen to the idiocy of George Clooney or Richard Gere you at least have some eye candy to help you overlook their incompetence. Sean Penn is downright ugly and an idiot so there is absolutely nothing to endear you to him. You are turned off at the get go and I literally would never, ever watch a movie with him in it and you know what a movie fan I am.

Monday, March 26, 2007 3:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Steve said...

Aloha, Mr. Hand!!! I do like the idea of moron offsets.

Monday, March 26, 2007 5:57:00 PM  
Blogger Bloviating Zeppelin said...

As per normal, a nation trembles when ROB (Republic of Berserkeley) citizens speak.

BZ

Monday, March 26, 2007 6:53:00 PM  
Blogger MonicaR said...

lol! Love that picture of him and what the bubble says. It's PERFECT for him!

Monday, March 26, 2007 10:13:00 PM  
Blogger airforcewife said...

Well, Mr. Penn and his ilk can talk about how they support the troops and not the war all they want - we don't FEEL supported. And as one of the military families whose name he uses in vain, shouldn't we have a say in whether or not we feel supported by them?

Quite frankly, every time he or Tim Robbins or Martin Sheen opens their mouth and delivers one of their grade school one liners, I feel like we should be lining up to play Red Rover on the playground and accusing each other of having cooties.

Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:10:00 AM  
Blogger MDConservative said...

I like how this is going to work. I will be able to be a racist and just buy offsets to counter it. Sexist, offsets. Homophobic, offsets. We can all be terrible people and just pay $29.95 to get rid of what we do wrong. Just be careful about getting your DNA on a dress cause there ain’t no offsets for that.

But seriously… not to offend any actors (although I will just buy offsets if I do) why would ANYONE expect actors to have some superior view of the world and why would they care about their thoughts. They make a living basically lying by pretending to be people they aren’t, on top of that they do it by “reading” a script… one they did not even write themselves! So people that require an entire support staff to tell a story, and anyone thinks they would be able to think for themselves?

Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anna said...

All I can say is, "What a bunch of maroons!"

Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:02:00 AM  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

I don't know why people take this moron seriously. His mindless ramting are as stupid as he is and if taken for what they truly are prove that inbreading causes terrible birth defects!

Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:22:00 AM  
Anonymous the other guy said...

i find it interesting that the same people who get up in arms for Chris Rock's branding of Bush as a 'retard' gloat at being able to say that Sean Penn is a moron. Bush has made some incredibly ignorant and nonsensical statements as well, but do we try to apply the "moron offset" to the people who divide up like school kids in the playground pointing fingers in two opposing groups? no, because neither group wants to put themselves in the spotlight they are shining on the others.

some statistics and examples were provided with regards to education in your article. where did they come from, and who wrote them? like my mammy used to say, "statistics is as statistics does." making an authoritative statement doesn't make it true - oh that's right, politicians have yet to learn that lesson.

i agree that being a movie star doesn't necessarily make the person eloquent nor astute, but only provides them a platform of recognition from which to spout their views, be they rational or inflammatory.

Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger airforcewife said...

I don't remember any of Bush's verbal gaffes including references to overly used and possibly typhoid infested undergarments, though. Nor do I recall him referring to any of the bombastic Hollywood whine and cheese crowd as any term close to "retarded".

Quite frankly, given the fact that so many Downs Syndrome and other severely learning disabled people are so loving and sweet, I think it's better that no one make such an inference in reference to the Hollywood soldiers-against-poverty-and-injustice-as-long-as-there-is-champagne-and-caviar-present.

But I digress. Sean Penn's behavior IS moronic. And the fact that he's in some movies and paid more for 3 months of work than the soldiers that are risking their lives will ever see in their lifetimes doesn't mean that anyone should pay attention to his pronouncements. Why people think he has any sort of expertise on the World Stage is beyond me.

I guess it's just another indication of the failings of public schools.

Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:29:00 PM  
Blogger TheOtherGuy said...

Do you even know what the word moron means?

mo·ron (môr'ŏn', mōr'-) pronunciation
n.
1. A stupid person; a dolt.
2. Psychology. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education.

So a moron is essentially the same thing as a retard.

Whereas Sean Penn says thoughtless, inflammatory and even baseless things, there's another more prominent person who says things which can be truly termed "moronic":


"Anybody who is in a position to serve this country ought to understand the consequences of words." --George W. Bush, interview with Rush Limbaugh, Nov. 1, 2006

"The only way we can win is to leave before the job is done." --George W. Bush, Greeley, Colo., Nov. 4, 2006

"And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it." --George W. Bush, interview on National Public Radio, Jan. 29, 2007

"I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." --George W. Bush, talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by Bob Woodward

"I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is -- my point is, there's a strong will for democracy." --George W. Bush, interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Sept. 24, 2006

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

"I think -- tide turning -- see, as I remember -- I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of -- it's easy to see a tide turn -- did I say those words?" --George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq, Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"Trying to stop suiciders -- which we're doing a pretty good job of on occasion -- is difficult to do. And what the Iraqis are going to have to eventually do is convince those who are conducting suiciders who are not inspired by Al Qaeda, for example, to realize there's a peaceful tomorrow." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 24, 2006

"I strongly believe what we're doing is the right thing. If I didn't believe it -- I'm going to repeat what I said before -- I'd pull the troops out, nor if I believed we could win, I would pull the troops out." --George W. Bush, Charlotte, N.C., April 6, 2006

Get my point? I hope so.

Wednesday, March 28, 2007 1:20:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Gee, I've never seen those before!

[/sarcasm]

Thanks for posting those. I've got many more. Including the ones said by Quayle now attributed to Bush.

But to compare the intellect and education level of Sean Penn is not only silly, but misses the point of ridiculing Hollywood know-nothing liberals.

First, let's look at his intelligence:

George Bush is more intelligence than 95% of the population.

George W. Bush's SAT score is 1206.

The SAT score (if taken prior to 1995) can be used to estimate IQ, to compare to the general population, and to compare to occupational averages and popular figures in history.

Using such estimates, President Bush's IQ is between 125 and 130 which ranks him as more intelligent than over 95% of the population, more intelligent than most college professors and medical doctors, and similar to Abraham Lincoln, Rousseau and Thackeray (comparative IQs of 128).


From Snopes:

President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic reelection victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo.

To the second point,

George Bush is a politician and our President. No matter how much you may disagree with him, one should give respect to the office of the Presidency. Sean Penn doesn't do that.

And the point of picking on him or Chris Rock (you're point on hypocrisy totally misses the point) for that matter, is that these idiots are using their celebrity status as a platform to espouse their ignorance. They can do that, but they look foolish. George Bush speaks on politics because that's his job. Their's is acting; although certainly they have the right to be political activists and whatnot. They just have to keep in mind that they are piggying on their fame as actors and comedians and such; not because they have some grand insight into complex world politics.

Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:21:00 AM  
Blogger airforcewife said...

Oh sweetie. I'm sorry no one ever explained this to you, we usually do in the third grade when we teach people to use the dictionary.

You see, the reason that there are multiple definitions of a word in the dictionary are because language is fluid and dynamic and the word doesn't always mean the same thing at the same time. That's the reason one definition has a 1 next to it and the other has a 2. Generally, the definition that comes first is the most common usage of the word. Often, because dictionaries are used to read older books, archaic definitions are also used.

The word "moron" at this time is no longer has an accepted usage as referring to mental retardation. The popular usage for the word is the first one. However, should I be teaching a beginners class on Constitutional Law, the definition of mental retardation is necessary to explain things written by Supreme Court Justices such as in the decision of Buck v. Bell. I'm sure you'll find the same issue with the word imbecile, which in modern use has no connotations to mental retardation but rather to willful stupidity.

In fact, my two volume Websters shows me that although indeed the word "gay" means homosexual, it also means "happy and carefree". However, did you know you can get suspended for using the word "gay" to describe someone at school? The principal is not going to take the excuse of, "I was using the HAPPY meaning at number two in the dictionary!"

Why bother with playground accusations of "I know you are, but what am I?" And stop the game of incredible flying goalposts. Sean Penn is a moron with no credibility on the world stage. For some reason, people have chosen to invite him to speak to them and for them as though he knows something they don't. My fourteen year old has a better grasp of world politics than the Hollywood crowd.

None of this has anything to do with your perception as to the president's mental acumen. It is simply the truth, whether you want to admit its embarrassing nature or not.

Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:48:00 AM  
Blogger Mary said...

Great post, WS.

Moron offsets might be of some help.

Still, Penn is definitely creating a massive moron footprint.

Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:37:00 PM  
Blogger TheOtherGuy said...

i think you both missed my point and instead decide to patronize me. my scores were just as high on my SATs as our president's, which according to your statistic, WS, makes me 95% smarter than the rest of the population.

i'm not saying the president is a retard. i think i've said that in other places. i'm saying he says moronic things. that's all. they are a matter of public record. you can ignore them, justify them, make allowances for them for whatever reason you care for, but he still says moronic things. nothing you say can change that fact.

now, you guys are all very keen to call sean penn a moron, which i find somewhat hypocritical. i agreed with you that he said things which he had no authority to say that were baseless and emotive. what he said was moronic, but he is no moron just as the president is no moron, because despite whatever definition you decide to pick out of the dictionary to side with, it is still an inaccurate and debasing term for an individual. it is a label placed on those we don't want to take seriously or consider as equals.

and as for WS's comment about respecting the president, in theory i agree. it is not a job for everyone and in the kind of pressure the person is in all the time, they are bound to make mistakes. like i said in other places, and i'll say it again, i don't think Bush is a moron. he had to have some intelligence to get where he is, but he also had political (read: family) connections, which perhaps more intelligent, educated and perhaps better suited individuals did not have, and that's why i think he got the job, questions about the Florida election aside.

but if you want to patronize me more, please go ahead. the more you do that, the more i begin to understand you better.

Friday, March 30, 2007 9:48:00 AM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

i think you both missed my point and instead decide to patronize me.

theotherguy,

If my tone came across as patronizing, I do apologize. You ihave been civil, and deserve civility in kind.

my scores were just as high on my SATs as our president's, which according to your statistic, WS, makes me 95% smarter than the rest of the population.

You're in great company! Lol.

i'm not saying the president is a retard. i think i've said that in other places.

Hehe...gotcha: you're not saying it in this thread; just elsewhere.


i'm saying he says moronic things. that's all. they are a matter of public record. you can ignore them, justify them, make allowances for them for whatever reason you care for, but he still says moronic things. nothing you say can change that fact.

I didn't think I was denying that; just that you haven't pointed out what we all don't already know. How can you escape it? Bushisms are on calendars, in latenite jokes, Google "Bush" and there ya go with more, let alone hearing 'em firsthand on the news.

That said, most politicians have "gotcha" moments where something doesn't come out right. Bush happens to have a lot of them, to the consternation of many conservatives who long for another "great communicator" like Reagan, or someone articulate and charming like Bill Clinton is. It's just not one of Bush's strengths.

But in responding to you, I am responding to the general liberal belief in general, that "Bush is stupid", simply because he does not always express his thoughts well. Dismiss him as such, and the anti-Bush brigade will forever misunderestimate him.

now, you guys are all very keen to call sean penn a moron, which i find somewhat hypocritical.


Ok, two things:

First, the whole idea of "moron offsets" is a joke. It should have been accepted for the level of discourse that it was intended to be at. This is one of those posts that isn't meant for the kind of seriousness you seem to have given it. It's an emotional rant, to be taken a bit tongue-in-cheek, and laughed off with a bit of serious opining thrown in.

Second,

How is it hypocritical? I am pointing out Hollywood celebrities who are not politicians, who earned their platform based upon their entertainment careers.

I like Bruce Springsteen for his music. Not for his political bloviating. Shut up and sing. Certainly he has the freedom to take advantage of having the ears of his audience and speak his mind on issues outside of music. But if I don't agree with those views, it sometimes becomes hard to separate him (ie, his political views) from his music, when he becomes so vocal about the former. It makes me realize that when I purchase his cds, I am supporting more than just his music; when I wear a concert t-shirt, It would be nice to have people think it's because I like his music; not his politics. But when an entertainer wraps his career up in political lacings, his identity becomes redefined.


So how does that make me a hypocrite? My identity on this blog is purely conservative, right-of-center political partisanship. I am not piggyback riding on some other career to get my political viewpoints across.

At work, I don't parade my politics around, pushing it on people, when my job isn't about politics.


i agreed with you that he said things which he had no authority to say that were baseless and emotive. what he said was moronic, but he is no moron just as the president is no moron, because despite whatever definition you decide to pick out of the dictionary to side with, it is still an inaccurate and debasing term for an individual.

I actually agree with you, in the manner in which you define "moron". I could just as well have called Sean Penn an "idiot"; but I know he isn't one. He may not be well-educated formally, but I don't think he is factually a dummy; just that his views and facts are all "retarded".

The problem here, is that you are taking this post far too seriously. If I were writing a serious dissertation for a serious journal, do you think I'd include a photo caption like that? Or write in the manner that I did? It wouldn't be very "grown up" of me. I recognize that. I hope you do too; and hope that I've clarified myself on this.

it is a label placed on those we don't want to take seriously or consider as equals.


I suppose I could have approached it in a more serious manner; but I didn't. Sean Penn's use of words was to get laughter and applause from the choir. An emotional response. Why should I take that seriously? The spirit of my post is to treat his views with the kind of seriousness and attention I was in the mood to thinking it deserved.

and as for WS's comment about respecting the president, in theory i agree. it is not a job for everyone and in the kind of pressure the person is in all the time, they are bound to make mistakes. like i said in other places, and i'll say it again, i don't think Bush is a moron. he had to have some intelligence to get where he is, but he also had political (read: family) connections, which perhaps more intelligent, educated and perhaps better suited individuals did not have, and that's why i think he got the job,

And the Democratic candidate in '04 was a no better alternative if one were seeking an alternative to someone without privilege and wealth.

questions about the Florida election aside.

Um...don't go there, please.

Friday, March 30, 2007 11:39:00 AM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

but if you want to patronize me more, please go ahead.

Again, my apologies for that impression.


the more you do that, the more i begin to understand you better.

Now who's patronizing who?

Friday, March 30, 2007 11:41:00 AM  
Blogger TheOtherGuy said...

okay WS i took things too seriously. and i agree with the points you make.

i've associated in narrow circles that just don't understand why Bush does what he does. i'm trying to understand by venturing out of those circles and looking at ideas and points of view that are foreign to me. it's not an easy process.

i appreciate your patience.

-the other guy

Friday, March 30, 2007 3:33:00 PM  
Blogger airforcewife said...

Well, I'm glad I didn't post my irritated comment earlier after seeing theotherguy's latest post.

I apologize for being overly snarky because you do really seem to be sincere in trying to at least search out other opinions. I over-reacted to what I felt was a patronizing tone in the post with the dictionary definition.

Theotherguy's last post seems very sincere, so it seems that I misjudged the intent.

Feel free to ask me any questions you like if you would like to know why I believe the way I do. I will answer them honestly and without snark or rudeness.

Friday, March 30, 2007 6:26:00 PM  

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