Friday, December 05, 2008

Resident Select, Barack Obama

This is still talked about by bloggers I respect, and in a couple of reader posts over at Flopping Aces.

I'm in agreement with Matt Lewis here, who's in agreement with Michelle Malkin, here. And especially here:

My immediate response to Marc would be that to understand Townhall is to understand that we represent a broad array of conservative voices and opinions. In fact, we do not even publish editorials or take editorial positions. What is more, clearly we have regular writers (Kathleen Parker, for example) who express viewpoints that I personally find absurd, offensive and often childish. Clearly some conservatives out there like her though -- so we still run her columns ...

This whole notion of Obama's birth certificate, however, is something I've been meaning to write about anyway, as I have grown very tired of seeing a few of our commenters dwell on this ridiculous rumor.

I am of the opinion that anyone advancing the notion that Obama is not a citizen, and thus not qualified to become president, is actually undermining the conservative cause. Sadly, this ridiculous "conspiracy theory" will only serve to undermine the legitimate attacks on Obama, by casting us all in the role of zealots.

All indications are that Obama was born in the state of Hawaii. His mother was clearly an American citizen. In many regards, Obama has more of a claim to be eligible for the presidency than did Barry Goldwater (born in the "Arizona territory"), George Romney (born in Mexico), or John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone)...

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Obama, but dwelling on this ridiculous notion will only serve to undermine them.

To answer Marc's question of whether or not this is a legitimate question to ask, I would only reply that this is a legitimate topic if you believe in free speech. Moreover, it is not racist, sexist, or vulgar -- just (in my opinion) very destructive and unhelpful to those who care about advancing the cause of conservatism...



Blogger cube said...

Even if there was absolute proof that Obama was born in East Mofoco (or wherever his family is from in Africa), there is no frickin' way he's going to be removed as president.

No way.

Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:55:00 AM  
Blogger christian soldier said...

If THEY state it it must be true:
Ayers-NYT-I was not really a terrorist...
9-ll-01- really was an inside job by Bush and co......
BHO-really is a US citizen...
The Dark Side can twist words like nobody's business....

In this Constitutional Republic - one must be born a US citizen to be President...if there is a legitimate question ----it must be answered with proof!

Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:16:00 PM  
Blogger Rivka said...

I don't know what to think about this one. I agree that we shouldn't make a big deal out of it if it is nothing, yet on the other hand we need to make sure our presidential candidates are following the rules.

I am wondering how this whole thing works anyway. Aren't all presidential candidates required to prove they were born here before running? If it didn't matter then anyone could run and we could end up getting an enemy of ours taking over. Who knows. I think it is there for a reason, but I have no idea if this Obama thing is a witch hunt or not. That is why on my blog I just posted the story where Alan Keyes is now involved, but didn't give an opinion as to whether I thought it was worth it or true or anything because I don't know. It was interesting that Keyes was joining the pursuit though.

Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:31:00 PM  
Blogger Rivka said...

There is also a part of me that just says: O.K. everyone, let's just hold our nose and get through this Obama presidency, and address more important issues against him, which we will have plenty of.

Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:33:00 PM  
Blogger christian soldier said...

No more Lesser of Two Evils L_O_T_E_- or 'holding my nose" for me...
I wrote a poem (on my blog-March 2008) about Froggy and the 'hold your nose' never ending mantra....

Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:09:00 PM  
Blogger christian soldier said...

An aside:
My barista can't wish this but I can:

Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:11:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

I just posted the story where Alan Keyes is now involved,

Here's one FA post with some good comments.

I just don't see anything coming out of this but ridicule for conservatives.

Same with this issue.

Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:47:00 PM  
Blogger Chuck said...

I have said all along that I don't know what to think about this issue. I'm of two minds. I agree with you in that the right needs to stop obsessing about it. It's unproductive and unhealthy. With this said, he is not above the law and until the question has been really been given a hearing, I don't think it should be ignored. His entire career is based on dodging tough questions. He needs to start answering some.

Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:40:00 PM  
Blogger Mberenis said...

I'd like to Post a Comment

Did you hear the good news? Obama is making it better for us already! Most people don't realize how much money there is out there. During economic times like this, there is more money to be had than ever. Because of the bailouts and economy, lenders are bending over backwards to bail you out too. Believe it or not, there is people getting tons of cheap money nowdays to start businesses, buy homes, pay off debt, and more. Bailout is for YOU

Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:16:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Linking another FA reader post.

Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:38:00 PM  
Blogger Karen said...

It's all bizarre. I don't trust Obama one bit but I do see this as hurting Republicans more than it helps. Then yesterday I read where Clarence Thomas has filed a lawsuit, too, so who knows what is going on. Either way, he's is going to be president and we may as well carry on and get through it.

Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger The Intellectual Redneck said...

This is the most thoughtful and coherent comment I have read on this issue. I wish I had written this comment. This writer goes to he heart of the issue and does it in a very unbiased way.
Really? (#129849)
by Hank Rand on December 6, 2008 at 9:44 PM
"What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?"

A proponent of the reality that there is an outstanding question that exists relating to Barack Obama's natural born citizenship (not that I have an answer, but rather simply that no answer has been given), my personal opinion is that this has less to do with the merit of this particular Constitutional law...and more to do with the character and integrity of a man who may have gone to such great lengths to, knowingly, break it. And in that course of action, our entire country (not just those who didn't vote for him) and our most coveted process of Democracy (our vote), were defrauded.

If he's found to be ineligible per the Constitution, proving he knowingly and willfully defrauded our people and process, it won't be the Justices who will have disenfranchised 64 million voters. It's Barack Obama. How many times are you prepared to claim "you fell down the stairs" for this man? I was an initial supporter. I started seeing very real and very questionable issues raised about the nature of his past associations, and the laughable explanations he would give...and I was sure it would hurt him in the press and among supporters. But what did I see? The press and most supporters to engrossed in their partisanship to care. In fact, the more reasonable questions came up about him...the harder the press and the 64 million that same press brainwashed, drove to the hoop for him. As I stood back watching this, again, as an initial supporter of his, even making phone calls on his behalf...I realized what I was seeing, was nothing short of WEIRD. Just, plain, weird.

And I thought this birth certificate issue (check that, "Certificate of Live Birth" opposed to "Certification of Live Birth") was cleared up a long time ago. I thought there was no way the DNC would have been capable of such a gross oversight. Then the court cases came up, and nothing was done to quell the question. What finally landed me understanding that something is not right, is when Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health for Hawaii, released the statement about his birth. That statement actually did more harm than good, and it only demonstrated further how moronic far too many public officials and people in the media and governing bodies, think Americans are.

Sure, America has it's slew of idiots. And sure, the aisle that questions Barack Obama's natural born and/or properly maintained citizenship statuses has it's smattering of fringe wingnuts. But just because one contingent of people happen to be on board, doesn't nullify the fact that the question is still outstanding. I hear the same 5 refutations over, and over, and over. "He posted his birth certificate on his website", "Factcheck proved it", "The state of Hawaii released a statement saying he was born there", "There was a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper", "Judges meritoriously threw it out as 'frivolous'"; and while each of those statements hold an element of truth, they're also easily debunked. And "truth" is objective. There is no debunking it. We should be able to move past this on to more subjective and productive lines of communication...with all the dissent we're accustomed to...forging, like competition, improvement. But here we are. And one man can answer this objective question. And sure, not everyone will get on board if he were to release his college records and actual Certificate of Live Birth (as opposed to the factually less credible, more easily attained and more easily forged "Certification" - which bears no corroborating evidence like the hospital or doctor's name)...but many would get on board. Coming off a platform of transparency, directly in to a promised pursuit for unity...why leave so many of us divided on what is a simple and objectively debunked question? If the Certification is authentic, the it's more credible parent - the Certificate, exists. But rather than produce it, he has fought those requests so fiercely that he's allowed the same requests to land in court rooms...where he continues to fight them. Why? So rather than quell the reasonable, objective and easily answered outstanding question...he opts non disclosure. I wrote somewhere else that the production of Certificate of Live Birth is a very small price t pay for unity. And yet, here we are. And Barack Obama, and Barack Obama only, is responsible for that. I am certain of that beyond any reasonable doubt, because Barack Obama, and Barack Obama only, can quell it...with an actual Certificate of Live Birth, and he has watched requests transition to court cases, and still refuses. So as a first order of business, in a promised pursuit for unity, he leaves us divided, on what should be a very simple, very objective, very basic matter. Who among us can applaud that? "I do, Hank. Because you're all just whackjobs." That's all well and good if that's your opinion. My brother said to me, "Yeah but if we pull him out, we're going to look corrupt to the rest of the world." I replied, "I'd rather look corrupt and not be it, than be corrupt and not look it." So goes my position on being called a whackjob, for maintaining through nothing more than logic and fact, that there is a still outstanding question regarding Barack Obama's natural born and properly maintained citizenship statuses. I'd rather be called a whackjob and stand by truth, than submit to mistruths and be called sound.

I didn't hear any of the 5 standard press talking points in your piece, which leads me to believe the transition I anticipated is occurring. That is, virtually all of supporters (and I don't know if you were one prior to November 4th or not), will go from, "He didn't commit fraud. He is a natural born citizen", to "So what if he committed fraud. So what if he isn't a natural born citizen." I've challenged others, staunch supporters in fact, as to whether or not they'd concede a gross misstep in character and judgement, and support his being held accountable for that, if he did commit this fraud. They've uniformly claimed they would. This article, blog, whatever it is...demonstrates the first piece I've actually seen that goes out of it's way to say, "No. I wouldn't. Barack Obama can lie, cheat and steal all he wants. And if he gets held accountable for it, it's the fault of the Justices...because Barack Obama himself, is simply incapable of wrongdoing."

Running that red light you sit at, day after day, when no one is looking, is pretty harmless too. But you know it's wrong. This man, if not a natural born and properly maintained citizen of the United States, will have knowingly and willfully cheated our entire country, and more critical than that - our absolutely, inherently, unquestionably most coveted process of democracy - in what can only be articulated as a relentless pursuit for unapologetic, integrity-free, and division-inducing pursuit for power.Link.The Intellectual Redneck

Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:17:00 AM  
Blogger christian soldier said...

A Constitutional REPUBLIC is what we have in the US--not a democracy (thank God!)...I don't care how many people voted for BHO-I don't care how many states had a majority for BHO-

The Constitution was written by the Founders for a reason-we brook the reason-and we will reap the little 'tweak' here and a little lapse there and we have NO CONSTITUTION...

Our TROOPS are 'over there' now having vowed to "Protect and Defend the Constitution" and we are here making excuses for BHO and his 'no true documentation'..!???

Sunday, December 07, 2008 12:58:00 PM  
Blogger J_G said...

If Obama wants to be President he should show us the money. How hard can it be to put this story to rest if all he has to do is show the birth certificate? I had to show my birth certificate to get a Passport, get registered at school and to join the military. Now Mr Obama, show us the money.

Monday, December 08, 2008 3:34:00 AM  

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