Wednesday, June 21, 2006

"The Law is Inside Out, the World is Upside Down!"

Curt brings up one editorialist who doesn't seem to understand why there is all this media hoopla over the torture and slaughter of two U.S. soldiers, when that sort of thing happens to Iraqi people every day. So the writer, Pierre Tristann, wonders why we put faces and names to these two dead warriors who lost their lives in service to this great nation of ours.

And in another flip-twist upside down way of the media world deciding what is important and newsworthy, Skye wonders
if the New York Times will run 48 front page stories detailing the torture and murder of these soldiers? Will anyone on the left voice concern that the Geneva Convention and civil rights of these murdered heroes was NOT upheld by the terrorists?
Of real torture, of the kind experienced by our soldiers, the way they ran 30 straight frontpage news articles in a month on the Abu Ghraib "tortures".

Laura Ingraham on O'Reilly tonight (video at ExposetheLeft.com), also brought up how human rights watch groups like International A.N.S.W.E.R has on its frontpage a big photo saying, "Close Guantanamo and other torture centers" without even a mention of the horrific deaths of Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, let alone denouncing the atrocities committed by the Islamic Jihadists. And on the Amnesty International website- both international and USA- there is not a mention. On the international, the top page has a headline about "Partners in Crime: Europe's Role in U.S. Renditions". And on the USA version, would it be too much to ask for even a mention somewhere? Apparently so. But you can certainly visit the website if you want to hear about the recent suicides at Guantanamo or perhaps sex trafficking at the World Cup.

Ingraham notes that their real agenda is "to blame America for everything that is going badly in the world."

Skye also had another post in which she points out the sheer inconsistency and bafflement that is the practice of those who engage in "selective peace protests".

It's left up to sites like this to point out who are the ones committing the real terror in the world.

Also: Michelle Malkin

15 Comments:

Blogger Dan Trabue said...

I don't know why this is hard to understand. We are against ALL torture and violence. Including the violence towards our soldiers.

But why would we in the US hold a protest against terrorists? We aren't responsible for their actions. We can't change their behavior by protesting.

On the other hand, we ARE responsible for the actions of our leaders - especially when we think those actions are helping to create an environment ripe for creating MORE terrorism. We CAN hope to change our leaders behavior.

We protest our policies because we believe in the old dictum: Remove the plank from your own eye before attempting to remove the speck from our brother's eye.

Non-violent Direct Action DOES have methods for dealing with the crimes and behaviors of people in other places, but protest is not generally one of them as it would serve no useful end.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:00:00 AM  
Anonymous skye said...

True, protesting won't change their behavior, killing them will.

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But why would we in the US hold a protest against terrorists? We aren't responsible for their actions. We can't change their behavior by protesting.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Skye said...

I believe this administration has created an efficient environment for the eradication of terrorists.

It is misleading, if not an out right lie, in saying that are success in Iraq is breeding more terrorists.

Nothing flourishes in a hostile environment. An environment of appeasement policies and UN pandering set forth by the Clinton Administration lead to the enrichment in wealth, networking and numbers of "holy warriors". The nineties saw an increasing number of attacks in the US and to our interests abroad. As the years progessed the attacks became more deadly and sophisticated. Too bad you were not out protesting these behaviors of our 'leaders' during this time, Dan.

The current administration policy towards terrorism has stopped this growth DRAMATICALLY. No Clinton or UN policy would have freed 50 million people and dismantled a worldwide terror network. However, feel free to blame theses results on current administration.
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On the other hand, we ARE responsible for the actions of our leaders - especially when we think those actions are helping to create an environment ripe for creating MORE terrorism. We CAN hope to change our leaders behavior.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:40:00 PM  
Anonymous skye said...

Still waiting on the libs to take their own advice...

I favor the older dictum of:

Peace thru superior fire power.
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We protest our policies because we believe in the old dictum: Remove the plank from your own eye before attempting to remove the speck from our brother's eye.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Skye said...

This world would be so peaceful if only islamofascists believed in non-violent direct action, Dan.

Considering the goal of islamofascists is form a worldwide caliphate under the guidance of shari'a law. Their leaders make frequent speeches preaching these aims and praising mass murderers. We in the West like to pretend that it's only rhetoric, but it's long past time we take the enemy at their literal word. Every day, they tell us exactly what their intentions are, openly and unapologetically.

Islamofascists don't believe in non-violent direct action against western civilization - that would be you and me, Dan. They believe in the death of Western Civilization.


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Non-violent Direct Action DOES have methods for dealing with the crimes and behaviors of people in other places, but protest is not generally one of them as it would serve no useful end.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:01:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

why would we in the US hold a protest against terrorists? We aren't responsible for their actions.

It's an interesting point. But when groups like Human Rights Watch has as it's motto, "Defending Human Rights Worldwide", it would seem, to be consistent, they'd release a statement. Amnesty International USA finally did give a press release, but still nothing up on their website. Amnesty International, surely, you'd think, would condemn the brutality.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:15:00 PM  
Blogger Mike's America said...

I was going to come over and feed your moonbats Wordsmith... but I just cannot bring myself to do it.

That Trabue is such a genocidal enabler.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:18:00 PM  
Blogger The Angry American said...

Glad to see the Wordsmith is still on the job!

Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:02:00 AM  
Blogger Old Soldier said...

"But why would we in the US hold a protest against terrorists? We aren't responsible for their actions. We can't change their behavior by protesting."

Skye did a marvelous job in responding to this, but I would like to add some thoughts.

Did Islam reap any benefit or change a behavior when they staged the worldwide riots and indignation associated with the "Mohammad Cartoons"? If the answer is "yes", then it is a useful model. Worldwide or even national indignation displayed as protests has an impact on people. Let's face it - killing the Islamofascists is the permanent solution (and one I fully support) but rejection by their moderate brothers might dissuade some from taking up the terrorist profession. Sitting here quietly twiddling our thumbs will only delay the inevitable loss of our heads. This is one of those life threatening situations where you do something, even if it is wrong.

Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:21:00 AM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

"Islamofascists don't believe in non-violent direct action against western civilization"

Spoken as from one who knows nothing of Non-violent Direct Action (NVDA), which is not a slap at anyone, just an observation.

Feel free to read up on this alternative to war-as-solution if you genuinely believe in peacemaking (as I'm confident you do).

Briefly, NVDA does not depend upon the "target" to believe in NVDA. It works on the assumption that we all have our reasons for taking actions and that we all have concern for our own self-interest.

An example.

In Nicaragua in the 1980s, the contra terrorists were killing, raping and pillaging villages throughout Nica, trying to overthrow the Sandinista regime. NVDA advocates looked at the situation, realized that the Contras were being funded largely through the US and reasoned that the Contras would not take actions that would risk their own funding. It would be against their own self-interest.

And so, organizations like Witness for Peace sent Peace delegates from the US and Europe to be witnesses in the villages being attacked.

The contras didn't care a whit about peacemaking, but they did care about trying to gain power. They knew that if they started killing US citizens, the US would be outraged and the funding would dry up. So, quite against their will but in accordance with their own best interest, the terrorism stopped in those villages where the witnesses were.

NVDA works at least as well as war-as-solution when given a chance and has the added benefit that one does not need to embrace the tools of evil to overcome it.

Is it scary? Yes. Is it risky? Sure. But so is war-as-solution.

To paraphrase Chesterton, peacemaking hasn't been tried and found wanting, it's been found difficult and left untried.

A google search for NVDA will turn up plenty of resources. Check out what the mennonites or the Quakers have to say, as they have as much experience with it as anyone.

Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Skye said...

So according to NVDA dictates, it was out of concern for their own self-interests that islamofacsists felt impelled them to detach Daniel Pearl's head from his body?


What a beautiful philosophy in the absolution of blame and responsibility. The no-fault way to peace. Too bad islamofascists aren't interested in peace. Although I believe they would support this philosophy and hope it would take hold in the current administration. It would certainly make the job of killing Americans far easier - AND - it would NOT be their fault!!!

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Briefly, NVDA does not depend upon the "target" to believe in NVDA. It works on the assumption that we all have our reasons for taking actions and that we all have concern for our own self-interest.

Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Skye said...

War is the most effective way to peace. Has been and always will be.

Managing the peace is whole different animal. More destruction and death have occured during "peacetime" in the 20th century than from all the wars combined during the same century.

Too bad 'peaceniks' can't manage the peace.

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Feel free to read up on this alternative to war-as-solution if you genuinely believe in peacemaking (as I'm confident you do).

Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:46:00 PM  
Anonymous skye said...

Two words:

Peace Kills


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To paraphrase Chesterton, peacemaking hasn't been tried and found wanting, it's been found difficult and left untried.

Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:47:00 PM  
Blogger Mike's America said...

Trabue is the quintessential pacifist stooge. What Stalin called the "useful idiot."

I'm reading Martin Gilbert's bio of Churchill. He had to speak at Neville Chamberlains funeral which ocurred as the Nazi onslaught was killing thousands and thousands of innocent Londers in the Blitz every week.

Chamberlain followed that same flawed path to peace that motivates the misguided like Trabue today.

The only peace we get from the likes of Trabue is the peace of the grave after being disemboweled by Al Queda animals.

Do me a favor Trabue and go to Iran as a "peace shield."

P.S. Am I being "harsh" again Wordsmith? You bet! I won't sit here nice and let another 60 million people die because some idiot cannot learn from history.

Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:29:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Nice.

Friday, June 23, 2006 10:31:00 AM  

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