Sunday, March 02, 2008

Islam for Dhimmis

For quite some time now, I've been feeling more and more like a radical center-right extremist, alienated from my hard-lined rightwing militant allies. Whether it's over John McCain, Barack Obama's middle name, or on Islam, I feel like those who navigate through the blogosphere are sailing through a world of hyberbole and emotional venting; and of militant partisanship. I used to see it all the time coming from the left- Daily Kos, DU, Think Progress, Air America. But now I am acutely aware of the vitriol that comes from my side of the spectrum. And ultimately, I think it harms the conservative movement and in our credibility.

I've been criticized for my approach in dealing with radical Islam; in trying to differentiate Islam from Islamists; in wanting to promote the term "hirab" over the use of "jihad", to take the language of legitimacy out of the hands of those Islamic terrorists who wish to refer to themselves as "jihadists".

What baffles me the most, are those arm-chair Koranic and Hadith-watchers who study every anti-Islamic text on the market, then ask, "Where are the moderate Muslims? They don't exist! It is antithetical to Islam." When moderates are pointed out, they are patronizingly dismissed as "not true followers of Islam" but apostates because "the Koran says this", the "hadith tells them that". These arm-chair Koran scholars apparently have the authority to tell Muslims what is and isn't their faith of worship because they've delved into every Robert Spencer book and politically incorrect guides to Islam, Trifkovic's The Sword of the Prophet, Nonie Darwish, Brigitte Gabriel, etc. "So long as you're bashing Islam, we'll listen to you." is the message I get from many readers of these books- which, make no mistake about it, are extremely valuable information and resources, vital to the war we find ourselves in. But say something positive about Islam, and we're just not interested in reading about it. Instead, we'll be suspicious that any book on Islam that isn't anti-Islamic must be written by Muslim apologists who want to trick and deceive us through smoke and mirrors.

Apparently, if you aren't an Islamic fundamentalist adhering to strict constructionist interpretation of the written word of God, you are not a true Muslim practitioner of Islam. At the same time, the critics wail away about how Islam needs reform and departure from barbaric, 7th century practices (and I would agree here); yet some of those same critics disavow that a person is Islamic, should that person embrace modernity and separation of mosque and state and a disinterest in subjugating non-Muslims at the point of a sword and dhimmifying those who do not convert to Islam. These critics demand Islam reform for the 21st century and yet when examples of such Muslims are presented, they are rejected as "Oh, he's not a true Muslim". They believe that there is no such thing as "radical Islam". That Islam itself by nature is "radicalized", and the norm. Any departure from it is apostasy and to be dismissed; not respected and nurtured.

One of the very few talk radio hosts I admire and whose opinions I can usually respect even if I should disagree with them, is Michael Medved. He coined the usage "Islamo-nazism" as more accurate than "Islamo-fascism". I agree in "labeling" and "identifying" the enemy; but I still believe that using "hirabah" is a more enlightened approach, and the next step up in winning the propaganda war for hearts and minds. Nevertheless, I understand where Medved is coming from, and that he differentiates those who are peaceful, non-threatening practioners of the religion of peace, and those who are sympathizers, enablers, and participants in Islamic terror and in the religion of submission of others.

I am reprinting in its entirety, a post from Michael Medved last week (also penned as article). I think it is well-worth reading and reflecting upon.
Wednesday, February 27, 2008
Posted by: Michael Medved at 3:34 PM Is America’s “war on terror” in reality a war on Islam itself?

Most Muslim radicals insist that it is – as do many patriotic conservatives in this country who believe that any attempts to woo Islamic moderates, or to whitewash the violent and menacing essence of the Koran, distort the true nature of the current conflict.

Some of those who see Islam in all of its manifestations as our ultimate, implacable foe took me to task (in e-mail and phone calls to my radio show) for my recent support for U.S. recognition of the newly independent Muslim-majority state of Kosovo.

To these zealots, it hardly matters that the leading European powers (Britain, France, Germany) strongly support Kosovo’s separation from Serbia, or that the most outspoken opposition to Kosovar independence comes from the increasingly anti-American Putin regime in Russia. To some observers, it’s also irrelevant that ethnic Albanians (mostly non-religious, secularized Muslims) comprise more than 90% of Kosovo’s population and this overwhelming majority ardently desires its own democratic nation state. Though Orthodox Christian Serbs make up only 5% of the populace in Kosovo, critics of Bush administration Balkan policy insist that this embattled minority deserves U.S. protection and support. They discount fervent Kosovar promises that the new nation will guarantee the rights and security of its Christian residents; skeptics believe that such assurances mean nothing when provided by Muslim leaders, no matter how secular or pro-American.

“You of all people should recognize that there is no such thing as a ‘moderate Muslim,’” one correspondent scolded me. “Moderation and Islam contradict one another. Anyone who denies that contradiction is either a fool or a dupe. The tragedy in Kosovo represents just the latest example of state department mistakes based on the consistent denial that Islam, wherever it exists, is the eternal enemy of democratic values and Western Civilization.”

This increasingly popular absolutist position – whatever its historical, theological or anthropological basis – represents a threat to our short-term security and our long-term success in the very real battle against Islamism. If we accept, let alone embrace, the proposition that Islam itself is our enemy, then all of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims become enemies of the United States, and doom us to unending and un-winnable conflict.

It’s true that some serious scholars both inside and outside the Muslim world (or “Umma”) have pointed to Koranic passages and interpretations that seem to command perpetual jihad against non-believers, but other authorities (again, including Muslims and outsiders alike) emphasize more tolerant, less bloodthirsty strains in the teachings of Mohammed. The defenders of Islam point to a few peaceful and surprisingly diverse Muslim societies (Medieval Spain, or al-Andaluz, represents perhaps the most celebrated example) that contrast with the aggressive, convert-or-die approach that appears repeatedly in Islamic history. Islamic apologists point to similar contradictions in Christian history, with literally millions of heathens forcibly converted, enslaved or put to death, not to mention the appalling blood-letting between Catholics and Protestants who slaughtered one another for centuries despite their similar proclamations of loyalty to Jesus.

For Christianity, however, the worst excesses of violent fanaticism in the name of faith occurred four hundred years ago while for Islam they took place yesterday – with suicide bombings, riots, mutilations and tyrannical theocracies in every corner of the globe. No fair-minded person can look at the role played by Muslim faith in contemporary politics, economics, culture, or human rights without questioning the frequently dysfunctional nature of Islamic ideas.

Nevertheless, any public proclamation of overall enmity toward Islam would harm America’s cause in the world at large and undermine our security at home. This approach damages our interest in five ways--

1) It confirms the anti-American propaganda of terrorist leaders. Osama bin Laden, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and their associates have argued for years that the United States, “the Great Satan,” is the leader of a global conspiracy to destroy Islam and oppress Muslims. Any statement of hostility to Muslim faith would confirm the claims of our most dangerous enemies, enhancing their prestige and credibility. We also harm ourselves greatly if we declare that the idea of a “moderate Muslim” is a contradiction in terms: this echoes the al-Qaeda line almost precisely, as we agree with our deadliest enemies that anyone who chooses to help us or to oppose terrorism is somehow inauthentic in his Koranic commitment.

2) It alienates our allies. Most Islamic societies fall far short of democratic norms or even civilized standards, but several of them provide crucial assistance in the war against radicalism. Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim nations may be far from perfect as allies, but they would each be profoundly dangerous as adversaries. Our economic and military interests around the world depend to a great extent on some cooperation with Muslim nations and official condemnation of the faith they cherish would make such cooperation vastly more difficult if not altogether impossible. No one’s entirely comfortable with the idea of more than sixty nuclear warheads in the hands of President Musharraf of Pakistan, but imagine those nukes controlled by Islamist leaders of the future with reason to believe that the U.S. wanted to wipe out Muslim belief.

3) It puts the societies of Western Europe at profound risk. With growing and powerful Muslim populations in France, the United Kingdom, Germany and most other European powers, an American declaration of hostility to Islam would force those societies into an impossible choice: either disassociate yourself completely from your necessary American ally, or prepare to suppress the well-established Islamic communities in your midst. Of course, it would be better for our European friends if their Muslim millions simply packed up and went home, but since there’s no chance they will do so any attempt to officially disparage Islam, or even to force instantaneous assimilation and secularization, becomes dangerous and destabilizing.

4) It destroys our tradition of religious pluralism. If we proclaim Islam (or any other religion) as an “enemy of the state,” then we’ve clearly abandoned our cherished First Amendment tradition of neutrality among religious faiths. Constitutional scholars may argue as to whether government may encourage a generalized sense of religiosity or reverence, but no student of the First Amendment suggests that government may select one specific faith for either promotion or persecution. Studies suggest that American Muslims represent a mostly prosperous and assimilated segment of the population, but public hostility to Islam would encourage a disturbing tend toward radicalization already apparent among some young Muslims. If Islam is our enemy, should Homeland Security start closing down mosques? The very idea represents an obvious violation of the First Amendment’s “free exercise” clause.

5) It pushes us toward a never-ending war with no exit strategy. Even those of us who have always supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars wish that the government had learned one of the key lessons of Vietnam which once comprised a key element of the “Powell Doctrine”: never go to war without a clear, practical plan for victory and a reliable exit strategy. If we define Islam as our enemy, then what, exactly, is our feasible strategy for wiping out a resilient religious faith that’s proven disturbingly durable for more than 1,400 years? Even if we succeed in reducing the numbers and influence of the world’s Muslims we’ll still face at the very least, say, ten-percent of the current population: or more than 130 million believers. If that formidable Islamic remnant sees America as responsible for the elimination (either physically or spiritually) of most of their brothers and sisters in faith, the terrorist threat we face may actually intensify, rather than recede.

In all areas of human conflict or competition, the divide-and-conquer strategy works. In warfare, politics, international relations, business or all other contests, you win by uniting those on your side of the battle lines and dividing your adversaries.

Pushing the idea that Islam is our enemy does exactly the opposite: dividing the United States from allied states, and dividing those states at home, while instantly uniting our enemies.

Recognizing that we simply can’t succeed in “a war against Islam” isn’t to say that the followers of Mohammed have built “a religion of peace,” or even that Islam deserves identical respect to other great religions. In truth, even fair-minded Muslims must recognize that Islam today inspires unique concern with its well-documented propensity toward violence, radicalism and authoritarianism. We should encourage any and all Muslim voices against such extremism, rather than insisting that they don’t exist or can’t exist.

The statement that “Islam itself is the enemy” may deliver thrills and satisfaction with its tough, uncompromising, provocative ring, but the advance of that that idea among American conservatives and others constitutes a far more dire threat to U.S. interests than to the power or influence of the terrorists.


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23 Comments:

Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Great post Word. The essence of Islam is a very violent and hate filled religion. The difference is that those like Usama embrace literally what the religion teaches while thopse who are not murderers take a somewhat more docile approach.

Yet most of the docile do not condemn those who kill in the name of Allah who is also their god and as such have allowed that radicals to highjack the religion emphasising the hatred that is in the religious teachings.

BTW about the podcast...and thanks for the comment... you don't have to download it. Just click on the link and you can play it directly on your computer. Thanks! Thsi will be a weekly addition.

Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:24:00 AM  
Blogger BB-Idaho said...

Regarding your first paragraph; unique and refreshing. Reason, logic and fairness are in short supply..likely most political blogs tend to the hyperbole as encouragement to the 'choir', and if that is the sole purpose, fine.
To make any headway with those who
stand to your left, which may include the large 'moderate' group, a reasoned and accomodating approach works better. There is no question, for example, on how
political society as a whole regarded William F. Buckley. IMHO, the rancorous blogs succumb to the
Pillsbury doughboy effet: the more you poke, the more he pops back; as you noted this holds for both
edges from Limbaugh to KOS. Do they really influence, or do they
simply preach to the choir?

Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:28:00 PM  
Blogger rockybutte said...

Word:

Nice job. The relentless attack against Muslims by hate merchants on the right, who know practically nothing about Islam, force those on the left, who likewise know little about Islam, to defend Muslims, although in vague and uncertain ways. Most liberals I know believe that all Muslims/Arabs secretly rejoiced on 9/11.

Gallup published a poll last week showing that 93% of Muslims condemned the events of 9/11.

Thanks for including Medved's remarks. I've always admired his writing style and keen intellect. I rarely agree with what he says.

Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:40:00 PM  
Blogger City Troll said...

great post wordsmith. How Islam is portrayed does not phase me one way or the other. The grouping of it as purely just a bastion of terror of course is nonsense. However that 10% that make up millions of self exploding fanatics are to blame for the herd mentality that the rest of islam is recieving.

Medved lost me when he was a film critic and lost his mind over a scene in "everything you always wanted to know about sex" of a Rhabi eating a bowl of pork. He called Woody Allen an anti-semite...

You know my position on McCain. I will vote for him but I don't see how he can take the oath of office. (george Will has a great story on it at RealClearPolitics)

Don't let the vitriol get to you. For so many of us this is the only arena we can safely vent our political frustrations freely and honestly.

On my job I am outnumbered with a ratio of 2 conservatives to 84 Liberals. Since I am management I dare not talk politics at work.

Sunday, March 02, 2008 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger Gayle said...

Wordsmith, I'm a Christian and I have had people come into my comment section and accuse me of being a Christian fundamentalist, which I am decidedly not. I think there is the same type of difference in regard to Islam. I do not take everything written in the bible literally, and I know there are Muslims who do not take everything written in the Koran literally. I don't know if I make myself clear. What I'm trying to say is that to call all Christians fundamentalists is the same thing as calling all Muslims Islamofascists. To say that moderate Muslims aren't really Muslims at all if they don't take the Koran literally is the same as saying Christians who don't take everything in the bible literally aren't really Christians!

Now I'll read that back and see if I made sense.

Well... it's as clear as I can make it.

Regarding Obama's middle name, I have agreed not to use it on future posts, but I will continue to post regarding his past wherever I find things that disturb me greatly.

Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:11:00 PM  
Blogger The Griper said...

another point that may be made is that if islam is militant by nature of the words written in the koran then we better take another look at the bible. the whole old testament is filled with it. ask them how God was seen there. one could perceive God as a very hateful, and vengeful God. a God without mercy and unforgiving. a God of a single group of people rather than a God of all.

Sunday, March 02, 2008 3:15:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

I'll try to respond to you guys later. Right now, I'm "wasting" time responding to commenters at my cross-post at Flopping Aces.

Sunday, March 02, 2008 4:15:00 PM  
Blogger The Griper said...

mmm quite a bit of difference between the attitude of the two sets of commenters too, i see. and another thhought entered my mind as i was reading the comments at flopping aces. they seem to be taking the same attitude as the liberals are in terms of what we are fighting.

the difference being that the liberals think it is an unwinnable war because of it. while those commenters seem to think we need to wipe islam off the face of the earth.

Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:18:00 PM  
Blogger Karen said...

Word, did I ever thank you for recommending M. Medved's radio show to me? If not, consider this my thank you. He is the only one I listen to now, except for Bill Bennett. They are the only ones out there that I have a chance to listen to that consistently rise above all the name calling and easy criticisms and offer intelligent talk.

Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:47:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

ok....taking the time now to respond to comments, and taking them in order...

Thanks ken.

Regarding those docile Muslims, I think there have been many who have stood up to the fundamentalists who are intolerant of any other departure or interpretation of Islam other than the one they hold. Just look at the Sunnis in Iraq, for one example. How many of them were slaughtered by al-Qaeda, for not conforming to their brand of Islam?

bb-idaho, thanks for commenting. I never quite know who is out there lurking. Especially by those who don't really share my political viewpoints.

rockybutte:
Thanks for including Medved's remarks. I've always admired his writing style and keen intellect. I rarely agree with what he says.


It is to Medved's credit if he can be respected even as he is disagreed with by those on the other side of the political aisle.

city troll: Medved lost me when he was a film critic and lost his mind over a scene in "everything you always wanted to know about sex" of a Rhabi eating a bowl of pork. He called Woody Allen an anti-semite...

You mean it wasn't the "Sasquatch" watch? Lol.


You know my position on McCain.

Oh, hell yeah! Rofl!

I will vote for him but I don't see how he can take the oath of office. (george Will has a great story on it at RealClearPolitics)

I'll try to remember to look for that.

Don't let the vitriol get to you. For so many of us this is the only arena we can safely vent our political frustrations freely and honestly.

I understand. Blogs fulfill a variety of roles, and one of it is to vent amongst the like-minded.

On my job I am outnumbered with a ratio of 2 conservatives to 84 Liberals. Since I am management I dare not talk politics at work.

Living in sunny Los Angeles, I can relate. The number of conservatives in my daily life, I can count on one hand, minus a thumb.

gayle,

Your comment made perfect sense to me. Thank you.

Regarding Obama's middle name, I have agreed not to use it on future posts, but I will continue to post regarding his past wherever I find things that disturb me greatly.

Rofl....gayle, just remember to never say never. There may come a time when it is appropriate to use his middle name. Context and effect matter. I'm glad you did consider what I was expressing though. That's meaningful, if I had an influence on it.

griper,

Amen to that!

In regards to your 2nd comment, yeah, at FA our readers are "harder-edged" to the right, I think. Haha.

I'm too boringly moderate, here on my own blog.

karen,

I'm glad Medved has become one of your daily listens. How long have you been listening to him, now? I am a Medved subscriber, so if there is ever any audio you missed that you want to listen to, let me know.

They are the only ones out there that I have a chance to listen to that consistently rise above all the name calling and easy criticisms and offer intelligent talk.

Er...wait until he starts talking about Big Foot.

Then both of our credibility goes out the window. Him for talking about it, and me for being the listener who got you to give him a try. Lmao!

Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:17:00 PM  
Blogger The Griper said...

Word,
"Living in sunny Los Angeles, I can relate. The number of conservatives in my daily life, I can count on one hand, minus a thumb."

think of this. you and i are orange coountians. we are just living within a mirage that appears to exist. lolol

how can something exist when the people who live there think impossible fantacies can be achieved. they are living in a fantacy. lolol

Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:51:00 PM  
Blogger J_G said...

I'm not buying it Word. When I watch on the TV, legions of muslims take to the streets as if on cue to protest the most minor of things such as cartoons in a newspaper and call for the death of the authors or the false story of Koran desecration at Guantanamo Bay I kind of get the idea that if there is a moderate version of these fanatics they are keeping quiet which is even worse to me.

We are on the eve of destruction in the republican party because they have nominated a total incompetent, unpredictable and the worse cut of all a moderate candidate to run against a highly organized onslaught of either democrat opponent and they expect me to sit still and say nothing about it.

Well, I won't sit still and I won't shut up because its plain wrong and defeatist to go on with this candidate. I upset my friends, I piss people off and alienate myself from other Republicans because I won't go along to get along. So be it.

Where is the equivalent voice in the Muslim community that is doing something to stop the teaching of children to blow themselves up killing as many of their own kind or Jews or Americans in the name of Allah because it is wrong. How is it that there was no outrage in any of the Muslim communities when 350 innocent Russian children are taken hostage and murdered by Islamic extremists in Beslan in the province of North Ossetia near Chechnya? We where all initially outraged with the story of Hadith at first until we understood the facts. Why aren't the moderates demanding the madrasses be shut down. Where is the real courage to change things they believe is wrong or say they believe is wrong?

When there are hundreds of thousands of people marching through the streets of Tehran shouting death to America I have a tendency to believe they mean it.

I go on with life unafraid in opposing things that I see wrong and I have taken my beatings for it but it will never stop me from saying what needs to said about doing the right thing even if it pisses every single person off that I know and believe me there have been those times when my Mother was the only one to love me.

I respect you Word for trying to bridge the gap and be a person of reason. I just think that your reasoning will fall upon deaf ears in the muslim community and their approval through silence of the extremists will continue.

Monday, March 03, 2008 12:02:00 AM  
Blogger The Griper said...

lg,

where are they? about in an-bar where they threw al queda out. how about in the Iraqi armed forces that fight along side of the coalition forces against the very ones that we are speaking of. were not their voices loud enough?

how about in our own armed forces are there not muslims fighting also? they say that at lowest estimate there are 5,000 muslims in U.S. uniform. are not their voices heard?



where are they? take a gander at some of the Iraqi blogs. you'll find them. there are plenty of muslim blogs yelling out their opposition to the tactics and goals that we speak of. are not their words to be believed?

and remember this, those who protest the loudest are usually those of the minority. they want to appear as if they speak for all. and it is usually those who are silent who make up the majority.

here is but one link that would go against the idea that all muslims are a part of this terrorist group

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=47684

Monday, March 03, 2008 2:59:00 AM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

I'm not buying it Word.

But, jennifer....I'm giving it to you for free!

When I watch on the TV, legions of muslims take to the streets as if on cue to protest the most minor of things such as cartoons in a newspaper and call for the death of the authors or the false story of Koran desecration at Guantanamo Bay I kind of get the idea that if there is a moderate version of these fanatics they are keeping quiet which is even worse to me.

How many thousands take to the streets to protest all the time? Usually, it's the nutters. What you and skye do, is not the norm. Most normal folk have jobs and don't make spectacles of themselves by taking to the streets. What is significant is how many don't take to the streets.

So how many Muslims do you suppose didn't care enough to go make public spectacles of outrage of themselves? A greater percentage. But watching tv, you're left with the impression of those who vocalize the loudest.

And Muslims have been protesting against terrorism, and against their own, and yes, risking their lives at it. More Muslims have been killed by the Islamists, because they have stood up and fought an died. You know this.

We are on the eve of destruction in the republican party because they have nominated a total incompetent, unpredictable and the worse cut of all a moderate candidate to run against a highly organized onslaught of either democrat opponent and they expect me to sit still and say nothing about it.

And I don't share your opinion on that. But you're welcomed to express it here.

Well, I won't sit still and I won't shut up because its plain wrong and defeatist to go on with this candidate. I upset my friends, I piss people off and alienate myself from other Republicans because I won't go along to get along. So be it.

I have been alienating conservatives, as well. So I know the feeling.

Where is the equivalent voice in the Muslim community that is doing something to stop the teaching of children to blow themselves up killing as many of their own kind or Jews or Americans in the name of Allah because it is wrong.

jennifer...I am trying to point that out. Yet you still don't hear. That topic is actually touched upon when I saw the screening of Islam vs. Islamist. It's a weird thing, but the media's notion of a moderate Islam is of the CAIR variety; and because someone like Dr. Jasser doesn't fit the mold, he and the others in the PBS program have their voices stifled by the very same media who wishes to tell people that Islam is a religion of peace, etc.

There are plenty of good Muslim people out there. The majority of the ones I know are good, decent, people.


When there are hundreds of thousands of people marching through the streets of Tehran shouting death to America I have a tendency to believe they mean it.


But not the voices of those students who dare to express pro-American sentiments?

It's easy to call upon people to stand up and fight...harder when you are one of those people living in terror of speaking out.

Sunnis found out the hard way, the price of not fighting; now they are experiencing the price of fighting, but it is far less costly than living under al-Qaeda control.

Muslims do speak out against atrocities, but they seldom get much airplay.

I just think that your reasoning will fall upon deaf ears in the muslim community and their approval through silence of the extremists will continue.

Muslims have been fighting and dying at the hands of the extremists, jennifer.

Monday, March 03, 2008 12:05:00 PM  
Blogger Tapline said...

Word, A most contraversal post. In years past, I have not regarded Islam as a threat against me and mine. Today, I do not feel that way and I do not feel that way because of what happened on 9/11. Since that time I have read and seen some of the results of live and let live behavior. Unacceptable actions by Islamists, murders, Jail, with threats of death for saying something that isn't acceptable to a religion??? It's bad out there.... Now I am not going to relive history to see the horrors that have been inflicted on humanity in the name of Christianity, but Christianity has evolved. I recently read where the Turkish Department of Religous Affairs has commissioned a team of Theologians at Ankara University to make fundimental revisions to the Hadith. This is said to be a collections of sayings that allegedly were made by Mohammed. I have no idea what the results will be but, anyway it is a first and a welcomed first. I ramble....stay well...

Monday, March 03, 2008 9:02:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Again, Islamists are a problem. Not all Muslims feel as they do, nor practice the militant fundamentalism of Salafi and Wahhabi Islam.

Just ask Muhammed Ali.

Dr. Jasser has a number of great articles on reformation of Islam. Essentially, bringing it up to date with compatibility with the modern world, the way Christianity has evolved.

Looking at the Old Testament, there's a number of bizarre practices and contradictory statements.

Monday, March 03, 2008 10:16:00 PM  
Blogger J_G said...

Hey Word, it's the morning and I still respect ya. What a guy, what a guy ;-)

Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:57:00 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

It's just so hard to figure out who is who and what is what in the Muslim world.

Just when you think someone is cool they turn out to be a damn terrorist!

Maybe someday we will have this whole thing figured out.

Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:58:00 AM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Hey Word, it's the morning and I still respect ya. What a guy, what a guy ;-)

It's nice to be still respected in the morning. (^_^)

marie,

I encourage everyone to read through the entire post; also, check out the comments at Flopping Aces. Curt said the post got linked to Salon.

Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:03:00 AM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

marie,

I don't think it's all that hard, actually.

Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Kara C said...

I think a lot of what you've said here speaks directly to the mission pf the organization i work for, Interfaith Youth Core. Specifically, read this post from our Executive Director, Eboo Patel: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/eboo_patel/2007/03/discrimination_against_muslims.html

Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess it's all out in the open now - the Wordsmith from Nantucket is officially a fifth-columnist.

Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geert Wilders is right about Islam. The Qur'an teaches hate and bigotry. It should not be used to instruct children or be used in prisons as a conversion tool.

Islamophobia? Who are the true Islamophobes? Network Solutions and YouTube? Those who try to silence the truth-tellers out of fear? A phobia is an irrational fear. Understanding the true motives of Islam and wanting to stop Islamization is not irrational.

Islam is the antithesis of our Bill of Rights and our Constitution. Muslims will tell you Islam means peace. What is meant by this is that all will be peaceful under Islam - if one accepts Islam. If not, those of other faiths can exist by paying the jizyah. This is what Islam teaches. Paying jizyah (tax) to Allah in order to be allowed to practice a religion other than Islam is not freedom of religion. If Islam spreads and becomes the dominant religion, how long before the right to freedom of religion is abolished to be in line with Qur'anic scripture?

Study the Qur'an and the ahadiths. A rational human being can only come to the conclusion that Islam was developed by a man who, because he thirsted for power, developed an ideology based on his deliberate perversions of Judaism and Christianity in order to create hatred for the followers of those religions. Create the hatred, then create an army to ravage and take control of the lands of the People of the Book (Jews & Christians). Islam is not just a religion. It is an ideology with political, military and religious aspects. It is a total belief system.

The Crusades were, of course, the quest to retake the lands stolen by the first Jihadists - Muhammad and his followers.

Do you realize that the Siege of Vienna took place on September 11, 1683? Why do you think September 11 was the date chosen by 19 Islamists to fly planes into our buildings? It was a message to us that Islam was again on the rise.

Interfaith groups seem a noble cause, but they only promote Islamization, because the attempt on the part of naive non-Muslims is not reciprocated with the same noble intentions on the part of Muslims. This is not to say all Muslims are gifted in the "art" of taqiyya (lying) and use it. In fact, there are many Muslims who do not even know the finer points of their faith and who have become secularized or they are indoctrinated and do not question their faith.

Muslims will tell you that you cannot understand Islam properly if you do not know Arabic. (There is some indication that Arabic was not the original language used) And, of course, if you do not understand Arabic, then you must only study with a Muslim who does. Don't listen to them who say this. Certainly, one can listen to, read, study both sides, if one is interested in "being fair-minded." But quite frankly, within the first several days of studying Islam, I was able to to easily see how and why Islam came to be. I was appalled by the so-called prophet of Islam and by the Qur'an, which is, as Wilders called it, fascistic in nature. Muhammad not only lived in the Spin Zone, I am quite sure that he created it. He said Allah said something, but then when that thing conflicted with something Muhammad wanted or did, he simply explained it away with a new saying from Allah to justify his behavior.

Contrast Muhammad with Jesus Christ and there is no comparison. Muhammad was a brutal warrior and Jesus was only peaceful. God bless Pope Benedict for playing the very dangerous game of chess with Muslim leaders. He is a brilliant man and I fear that priests and others who are doing interfaith work do not have the knowledge to engage in it properly. Islam in America is here to win, not to merely live side-by-side with other faiths.

CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in an ongoing case regarding contributions to Hamas, claims to be nothing more than an advocacy group for Muslims, but instead, they are engaged in fake lawsuits to promote the Islamization of America. They are here to make sure our children's text books say nothing bad about Islam. They are here to make sure footbaths are installed in public institutions and to accustom us to call to prayer. They use the excuse that we have church bells, but church bells are used for many reasons. Call to prayer only has one purpose. In various places around the globe, call to prayer goes on forever at 2 a.m. When I hear call to prayer, it reminds me of 9/11. It is a sound that does not belong in this country. It causes distress for too many.

Many former Muslims are warning us about Islam. Listen to them. Listen to Ayaan Hirsi Ali; to Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian terrorist who converted to Christianity, to Bat Ye'or, to Nonie Darwish, to Wafa Sultan, to Robert Spencer.

If not for those of us who speak of the dangers of Islam, Turkey would not be attempting revision of the ahadiths. That should tell you something - that Islam in its present form is unacceptable.

There are those Muslims in America who are attempting reform or pushing a New Age version of Sufism, but can Islam be reformed? Muslims believe the Qu'ran is the word of God handed to Muhammad by the Angel Gabriel. How does one reform what is supposedly the word of God? Muslims have begun a campaign to disassociate themselves from the Taliban, from violence, from what they call a perversion of Islam, but the Qur'an itself calls for violence. The jihadists follow the true Islam.

As the saying goes, there are moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.

If you are truly open-minded, you will seek out all opinion and treat it fairly. You will not accept the false idea that only Muslims understand Islam.

Watch Islam: What the West Needs to Know

*Ironically, the link I gave in the article for the above is no longer good.
Banned by Google. I found it on YouTube (where it was also banned), but
they haven't found the Finnish version yet. It's in English, but has a Finnish
title and Finnish subtitles.

I am hyperlinking only Part 1 because as long as YouTube hasn't pulled them,
the rest (2-13) can be found in the sidebar scroll at YouTube. These have Finnish
subtitles, but are in English. The originals were pulled by YouTube.

Part 1

Parts 1-13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbLfpqBx2TU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlnK3bEhuvM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7x2-XaMmc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=and8hO2uRCs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d3LZtNl4LM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUke3jk3iY4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOIr3VkuUtI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzpgU4B7Dzw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFbqqKmuAY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2URbYC20Mo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guHO2jM_ldc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4eX-h8Hskk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RJiu14wd-k&feature=related

Connie

Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:06:00 AM  

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