Thursday, January 17, 2008

Real Time on Jay Leno Meets the Kucinich Lunatic

Last October, I posted YouTube videos of Bill Maher's program, where it is interrupted by 9/11 Truthers. (Ron Paul supporters, perhaps?). Hilarious, if you haven't seen the video clips.

This past Tuesday night, he's a guest on Jay Leno's Tonight Show, and is interrupted by a Kucinich supporter.

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Blogger dcat said...

You are talking about elections and I am watching.

I am also watching how no one is making a big deal about the honor killings in our country. Sorry you disagree with me but you don't see what I see. I guess I don't know any moderates. The ones I know avoid talking strait to me.

Oh and were in the "H" at my blog does it say that I support CAIR?!

Friday, January 18, 2008 6:32:00 AM  
Blogger Gayle said...

I saw that on Fox News, Wordsmith. It's obvious Kucinich has supporters every bit as obnoxious as Ron Paul's.

Friday, January 18, 2008 8:27:00 AM  
Blogger dcat said...

Ron Paul is an idiot!

Friday, January 18, 2008 8:55:00 AM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

You are talking about elections and I am watching.


I am also watching how no one is making a big deal about the honor killings in our country. Sorry you disagree with me but you don't see what I see.

I certainly don't share the same opinion as you do, on this topic. But I do read some of the same anti-Islam/anti-Islamist websites and literature as you do. Much is important; and much is taken to an extreme that does more damage than good, in my opinion.

Good on you, to point out the cruelty and wrongness of "honor killings". I don't see how "no one is talking about it", when you most assuredly are, as well as many of us on the right. We always bring attention to it. And there have been "high profile" "negative" stories on things we find wrong with Islamic society and culture in the mainstream media. Perhaps not to the degree in which you would like to see it (which I think is to the extreme), but the news is out there for anyone who wants to see it.

It's why this 19 year-old's story generated world media attention and brought to bear pressure on the Saudi government. It wasn't just non-Muslims who were outraged by the court decision, either.

I abhor much of the same "backwardness" as you do, in regards to Islamic culture.

The hirabah ("jihad" in your terms) movement needs to be confronted, battled, and eradicated, on all fronts and at all levels. But we won't accomplish that by obliterating 1.8 billion Muslims and by bombing Mecca and Medina. (No, I'm not accusing you of desiring these things- I'm speaking in generalities, regarding some of the vitriol I see out there, coming from our side of the fence).

But some balance would be nice. Not all Islamic culture and societies are of the same mind and interpretation of the Koran.

I guess I don't know any moderates. The ones I know avoid talking strait to me.

I live in Los Angeles (although, being a military brat, I've also lived in many parts of the States) and it is rather diverse. Most of the Muslims I know are not "out to get us". Some may express criticism of the US, but it is not the "down with the West" kind of Jihad rhetoric; it's just criticism that bears no difference from the criticism espoused by the American left, Democrats, and faithful readers of the NYTimes. But these people I talk to love being here and they are grateful to be in America, to practice their religion in freedom; to have the opportunity for upward social mobility.

Oh and were in the "H" at my blog does it say that I support CAIR?!

I didn't say you support CAIR. Of course you don't! You and I are anti-CAIR. My point was, that by maligning the whole of the religion of Islam and seeing evil, evil, evil, and nothing but...merely benefits CAIR, for their propaganda purposes. It legitimizes their contention that Muslims in this country are being victimized by an epidemic of racial/religious/ethnic prejudice, stereotyping, and violence.

Friday, January 18, 2008 10:45:00 AM  
Blogger Amy Proctor said...

I'm not sure what news casts dcat isn't watching but the honor killings in Texas are all over the news. People like wordsmith and I could do a post on it but people would tell us we're wrong, that really is Islam, that father was really a good Muslim, there are no moderates, jihad, jihad, blah blah blah.....

It isn't, he isn't, and that isn't jihad. I know "moderate" Muslims. I like to refer to them as "true Muslims." GEN Petraeus knows many, too. They are very affectionate and lively people who take their religion seriously. They are also tolerant of other religions.

The problem is that people confuse uneducated trouble makers and terrorists, who are apostates, with the Koran. If Judaism was based solely on the Torah, there's no way it could be called anything other than a religion of hate.

NO religion is based only on a religious book. The ignorance of many who lump the troublemakers and devout into the same pot really hurts the war effort. We feel the effect of that ignorance in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It might interest your readers to know that if you read the Gospels, you know,the ones written about Jesus Christ, that there were stonings that were sanctioned by the Torah. Look at Stephen in the Book of Acts while Saul guarded the coats of the men doing the stoning. It was a religious mandate... can you call Judaism a religion of hate? God the author of hate and violence? He gave those laws to Moses.

Friday, January 18, 2008 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger dcat said...

Ok ok you guys I am pissed and lashing out...

Here is something my friend Hameed said and I do listen to him. I have even called him up on the phone when he was doing a project in Africa.

He knows how upset I am and understands. I told him I was pissed! I want more of the muslims to come out screaming is what I am saying I don't see enough!

What you said is true here is what Hameed wrote in a comment at ITM...

The core of almost all of world's ills and tensions is the Palestinian/ Israeli Conflict, whether we like or not?

It perpetuated dictatorships and Tyrannies in the Arab and Islamic world and it is directly responsible for creating extremism which lives on fear, and it is probably the cause of rogue states holdng on to the Oil and is using it as a finanacial weapon to make the Industrialised world poorer.

The Arabs could easily produce more OIl and reduce the cost of Oil in the forecourts.

They are frightened by the Iranians and are intimidated lest they show favours to the west.

My own analyses is that the Arabs became closer to Iran, due to the lack of positive and practical action by the West, and in Particular the Americans to tell Israel to start talking PEACE and should start to give up some of its land gains in exchange for PEACE.

If peace is not successful the Israelis could easily get back by Force what they will have given up for PEACE. The Arab Armies are no match, are they?

The glopbal recession is coming this year.
OIl prices are up,- the Oil cost so little to produce and the OPEC profit is dispropotionate. Gold, Russia is the largest Gold producer now as well as South Africa, Real Estates, falling Dollar values , the freak weather conditions , The increase in the Euro Value, Japan's Recession, China's low progress and decline and the Indian dimension etc. all relate and can be affected by the stability in the ME. 45% source of energy in the world.

The Palestinian/Israeli issue has contributed to all of this in some ways too.

Poverty and Unemployment breads extremists who are desperate to survive and they found ready takers in Governments like Syria and Iran and such evil terrorists Organisations like The Qaeda's O B L and Others of equally vile intents.

The benefits of peace with the rest of the Arabs can be seen over the past thirty years, between Egypt and Jordan and Mauretania and Israel.. To deny that is foolish.

I care about the intrests of the Iraqi people. Arming themselves and fighting has not done the country any good. Being Peaceful and Saving the multibillions OIL Dollars- which were to have been spent on useless second hand and second rate armaments from Russia and Bulgaria and Checkoslovakia and North Korea and the Chinese Satelite states etc- will be good for building new Schools, Universities, Colleges and Hospitals and other infra structural projects and above all establish a social security and Health Insurance systems, like they do in Israel and UK and USA and other civilised societies in the world.

PEACE with Israel will be good for Iraq.

PEACE will be far better than the current state of chaos, hate, vengeance and cycles of killings.

Israel's security will be guaranteed by the Peace itself and the other super powers.

In some Arab Countries the Dogs and Donkeys are treated in housings and infrastructure better than the Palestinians. The Israelis when they occupied some Palestinian refugee camps in East Jerusalem treated them better, so much so that now they do not want to get back to being governed by their fellow Palestinains.
who they consider as Criminals rogues.

Please use your sharp mind to rpoote PEACE in the ME.

Kind regards
hameed Abid

Ok and what about the sleeper cells here in the USA? I can't ignore this. I am honest about that.

Friday, January 18, 2008 12:52:00 PM  
Blogger dcat said...

Explain why you support the Muslim death cult ideology after you see what a Muslim "daddy" was thinking when he killed both his daughters Amina and Sarah:

Friday, January 18, 2008 4:59:00 PM  
Blogger Tapline said...

Speaking of sparks, Word, there are many sparks in the comments here. I have had some experienc with muslins, but then we calld them moslems, when and why the change, I don't know and really couldn't care less. My experiences with them although 40years ago was in Turkey 3 years worth and it was worth plenty, I was honored to have many friends there and my family went to many cities and was treated the same. I drank so much Tea that I could have floated away. It was Turkish hospitality. nuf said, I think maybe it is the shipped in malcontents that are causing constant upheavel here that keeps the pot boiling. I do think there must be more indoctrination and screening of immigrants as to what is acceptable behavior and what isnt as far as the states are concerned. In my estimation Multiculturalism has been the ruination of this country. We are Americans,,,,Not spanish-Americans, Italian American, African American, etc. We are Americans. Get over it...We have forgotten the saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do". And we closed our Eyes to everything else that was being taken from us in the name of "it's for your own good, or safety" I ramble.....stay well....

Friday, January 18, 2008 9:21:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

dcat....please. If you can't tell the difference between Marine Sgt. Abdelhalim and Yaser Abdel, I don't know what more to say to you.

Ok ok you guys I am pissed and lashing out...

Yes...lashing out and in the process, enveloping innocent, peaceful Muslims in the process of your hatred and vitriol.

1.8 billion Muslims are not at war with you.

Al-Qaeda wants to convince all Muslims that they are persecuted and disrespected by the West. You're falling right into their playbook trap.

I have my problems with Islam, the religion. But I recognize that expressing hatefulness toward the whole of Islam and not distinguishing between the ones trying to kill me, and the ones who engage in terrorism does not advance the war on terror. It only exasperates it. To not see the difference between how, say, a Muhammad Ali practices his faith and how Sayed Qutb practiced it, does not help recognize the enemy; rather than pinpoint the diseased part with surgical precision, you want to "lash out" and destroy the whole body.

Friday, January 18, 2008 9:24:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Ok and what about the sleeper cells here in the USA? I can't ignore this. I am honest about that.

For goodness sake....we're on the same side on this!

I'm not asking anyone to ignore that we have an Islamist problem and a related but separate issue of Islamic terrorist problem, where there are those who, in the name of Islam, are seeking our destruction, and attempting to plunge the world into a war between Islam and the rest of the world.

These extremists don't speak for all Muslims! They don't get to define the religion for all Muslims! I don't need to be preached to, either about the Hadith and the Koran, and the history of Islam. I just have a difference of conclusions on the nature of the threat.

Initially, after 9/11, I thought liberals were asleep at the wheel, acting as Islam apologists, bogged down by political correctness BS, overemphasizing "religion of peace" in the name of tolerance and diversity and multicultural acceptance. I thought they were blind.

But nowadays, I think the right have gone overboard, and that liberals do now have validity in some of the arguments that point toward religious bigotry and intolerance coming from the right. We're becoming the enemy our enemies make us out to be. And it becomes harder to convince the moderates that this is a war against extremists and militant fundamentalists, when our rhetoricb becomes hateful toward the whole of Islam, rather than making the differentiations.

Friday, January 18, 2008 9:35:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

tapline, I agree.

Friday, January 18, 2008 9:36:00 PM  

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