Saturday, March 15, 2008


“I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.”

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Blogger Dan Trabue said...

I agree. Based on the snippets of (out-of-context) quotes and sermons I've seen, I don't think his church is especially controversial.

I think Wright tended to be a bit more strident and harsh than called for, but not nearly as distasteful as the bland, unbiblical papulum that passes for sermons in most churches I've visited.

Could you provide some exact quotes in context that demonstrate what you find troubling about Wright's sermons?

Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:44:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...


Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:47:00 PM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Neither could anyone else.

It's easier to castigate ignorantly than to discuss reasonably, I suppose.

Thanks for the honesty.

Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

"Fetch the digital rope, boys! We gonna have ourselves a cyber lynching!! Yee haw..."

Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

lol..actually, what I meant is, "No I won't provide some exact quotes, because the issue isn't important enough to me to get bogged down in a debate with you."

I'm already embroiled on two different blogs in long-winded debates.

I do find the overall message and rhetoric of Wright's sermons troubling, though.

Jan 13, 2008: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.

It is an imbalanced perspective that only inflames and incites, not recognizing one iota just how far we have come in race-relations.

It only fuels the problem of racism and divisiveness.

2003 sermon:“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”

You may not consider it "America-hate", but I do. It's not so much the criticism of America, as a "Noam Chomskyish/Howard Zinn/America is a racist country" overall nationview, that comes across. And I so disagree with the overall message.

Sunday, March 16, 2008 2:12:00 PM  
Blogger Dan Trabue said...

Thank you for a reasonable response.

I was despairing.

It is an imbalanced perspective that only inflames and incites...

A bit, I agree. It's over-the-top too much for my tastes. If I were conversing with him, I'd suggest as much.

But there is a kernel of truth in what he has said here. And I suppose most of what he says is not as strident and divisive as this (based on the snippets I've read).

What I'm objecting to is the classification of his over-zealousness in a few snippets of sermons as racism or hatred.

And again, thanks for the reasonable response.

Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:09:00 PM  
Blogger Dee said...

I was actually in shock when I saw the video clips of his sermons. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!! And this is someone Obama calls a mentor and who married him and baptized his kids.

Sunday, March 16, 2008 10:42:00 PM  

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